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Comment by amy oconnor 1 day ago

http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm#email

Dear Ms. OConnor:

Thank you for contacting me about increasing our nation's use of natural gas.

We must develop a long-term energy strategy that alleviates high energy prices and reduces our dependency on foreign oil while protecting our precious environment. The prices of home energy and gasoline have risen in recent months, leaving many struggling to afford driving to work and heating or cooling their homes.

Natural gas usage shows promise as way to lower energy prices and greenhouse gas emissions in the short term. Florida currently consumes over 894 billion cubic feet of natural gas each year, and most of Florida's counties have access to natural gas.

In the long run, however, we need to shift towards alternative energy and to drastically increase the efficiency of our cars, buildings, and appliances.

I will keep your views in mind as the Senate continues to consider ways to address America's energy problems. Please do not hesitate to contact me again.

Sincerely,
Senator Bill Nelson

Comment by Dave Clement on December 22, 2009 at 9:32am

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Comment by Dave Clement on December 21, 2009 at 10:01am

Nat Gas to be the Cavalry for Energy Change?
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Comment by Jeffrey Michael Paganini on December 20, 2009 at 7:37pm

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Apr 1, 2009 - Introduced in House. This is the original text of the bill as it was written by its sponsor and submitted to the House for consideration. This is the latest version of the bill currently available on GovTrack.

HR 1835 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1835

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to encourage alternative energy investments and job creation.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

April 1, 2009

Mr. BOREN (for himself, Mr. LARSON of Connecticut, Mr. SULLIVAN, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, Mr. BISHOP of Georgia, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. CONAWAY, Mr. KAGEN, Mr. MCMAHON, Ms. MARKEY of Colorado, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. MINNICK, Mr. TEAGUE, and Mr. THOMPSON of California) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means, and in addition to the Committees on Oversight and Government Reform and Science and Technology, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned


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A BILL

To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to encourage alternative energy investments and job creation.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE, ETC.

(a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the ‘New Alternative Transportation to Give Americans Solutions Act of 2009’.

(b) Amendment of 1986 Code- Except as otherwise expressly provided, whenever in this Act an amendment or repeal is expressed in terms of an amendment to, or repeal of, a section or other provision, the reference shall be considered to be made to a section or other provision of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.

(c) Table of Contents- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title, etc.

TITLE I--PROMOTE THE PURCHASE AND USE OF NGVS WITH AN EMPHASIS ON HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES AND FLEET VEHICLES

Sec. 101. Modification of alternative fuel credit.

Sec. 102. Extension and modification of alternative fuel vehicle credit.

Sec. 103. Allowance of vehicle and infrastructure credits against regular and minimum tax and transferability of credits.

Sec. 104. Modification of credit for purchase of vehicles fueled by natural gas or liquified natural gas.

Sec. 105. Modification of definition of new qualified alternative fuel motor vehicle.

TITLE II--PROMOTE PRODUCTION OF NGVS BY ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURERS

Sec. 201. Credit for producing vehicles fueled by natural gas or liquified natural gas.

TITLE III--TO INCENTIVIZE THE INSTALLATION OF NATURAL GAS FUEL PUMPS AT SERVICE STATIONS AND DEPOTS AND DOMESTIC LNG PRODUCTION FACILITIES FOR SMALL ENERGY PRODUCERS

Sec. 301. Extension and modification of alternative fuel vehicle refueling property credit.

Sec. 302. Increase in credit for certain alternative fuel vehicle refueling properties.

TITLE IV--NATURAL GAS VEHICLES

Sec. 401. Natural gas vehicles in Federal fleet.

Sec. 402. Grants for natural gas vehicles research and development.

TITLE I--PROMOTE THE PURCHASE AND USE OF NGVS WITH AN EMPHASIS ON HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES AND FLEET VEHICLES

SEC. 101. MODIFICATION OF ALTERNATIVE FUEL CREDIT.

(a) Alternative Fuel Credit- Paragraph (5) of section 6426(d) (relating to alternative fuel credit) is amended by inserting ‘, and December 31, 2027, in the case of any sale or use involving compressed or liquefied natural gas)’ after ‘hydrogen’.

(b) Alternative Fuel Mixture Credit- Paragraph (3) of section 6426(d) is amended by inserting ‘, and December 31, 2027, in the case of any sale or use involving compressed or liquefied natural gas)’ after ‘hydrogen’.

(c) Payments Relating to Alternative Fuel or Alternative Fuel Mixtures- Paragraph (6) of section 6427(e) is amended--

(1) in subparagraph (C)--

(A) by striking ‘subparagraph (D)’ in subparagraph (C) and inserting ‘subparagraphs (D) and (E)’, and

(B) by striking ‘and’ at the end thereof,

(2) by striking the period at the end of subparagraph (D) and inserting ‘, and’,

(3) by inserting at the end the following: ‘or with respect to compressed or liquefied natural gas’ after ‘subparagraph (D)’.

‘(E) any alternative fuel or alternative fuel mixture (as so defined) involving compressed or liquefied natural gas.’.

(d) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply to fuel sold or used after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 102. EXTENSION AND MODIFICATION OF ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE CREDIT.

(a) In General- Paragraph (4) of section 30B(k) (relating to termination) is amended by inserting ‘(December 31, 2027, in the case of a vehicle powered by compressed or liquefied natural gas)’ before the period at the end.

(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall apply to property placed in service after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 103. ALLOWANCE OF VEHICLE AND INFRASTRUCTURE CREDITS AGAINST REGULAR AND MINIMUM TAX AND TRANSFERABILITY OF CREDITS.

(a) Business Credits- Subparagraph (B) of section 38(c)(4) is amended by striking ‘and’ at the end of clause (vii), by striking the period at the end of clause (viii) and inserting ‘, and’, and by inserting after clause (viii) the following new clauses:

‘(ix) the portion of the credit determined under section 30B which is attributable to the application of subsection (e)(3) thereof with respect to qualified alternative fuel motor vehicles which are capable of being powered by compressed or liquefied natural gas, and

‘(x) the portion of the credit determined under section 30C which is attributable to the application of subsection (b) thereof with respect to refueling property which is used to store and or dispense compressed or liquefied natural gas.’.

(b) Personal Credits-

(1) NEW QUALIFIED ALTERNATIVE FUEL MOTOR VEHICLES- Subsection (g) of section 30B is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

‘(3) SPECIAL RULE RELATING TO CERTAIN NEW QUALIFIED ALTERNATIVE FUEL MOTOR VEHICLES- In the case of the portion of the credit determined under subsection (a) which is attributable to the application of subsection (e)(3) with respect to qualified alternative fuel motor vehicles which are capable of being powered by compressed or liquefied natural gas--

‘(A) paragraph (2) shall (after the application of paragraph (1)) be applied separately with respect to such portion, and

‘(B) in lieu of the limitation determined under paragraph (2), such limitation shall not exceed the excess (if any) of--

‘(i) the sum of the regular tax liability (as defined in section 26(b)) plus the tentative minimum tax for the taxable year, reduced by

‘(ii) the sum of the credits allowable under subpart A and sections 27 and 30.’.

(2) ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTIES- Subsection (d) of section 30C is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

‘(3) SPECIAL RULE RELATING TO CERTAIN ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTIES- In the case of the portion of the credit determined under subsection (a) with respect to refueling property which is used to store and or dispense compressed or liquefied natural gas and which is attributable to the application of subsection (b)--

‘(A) paragraph (2) shall (after the application of paragraph (1)) be applied separately with respect to such portion, and

‘(B) in lieu of the limitation determined under paragraph (2), such limitation shall not exceed the excess (if any) of--

‘(i) the sum of the regular tax liability (as defined in section 26(b)) plus the tentative minimum tax for the taxable year, reduced by

‘(ii) the sum of the credits allowable under subpart A and sections 27, 30, and the portion of the credit determined under section 30B which is attributable to the application of subsection (e)(3) thereof.’.

(c) Credits May Be Transferred-

(1) VEHICLE CREDITS- Subsection (h) of section 30B is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

‘(11) TRANSFERABILITY OF CREDIT- Nothing in any law or rule of law shall be construed to limit a taxpayer from transferring, through sale and repurchase agreement, the credit allowed by this section for qualified alternative fuel motor vehicles which are capable of being powered by compressed or liquefied natural gas.’.

(2) INFRASTRUCTURE CREDIT- Subsection (e) of section 30C is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

‘(6) CREDIT MAY BE TRANSFERRED- Nothing in any law or rule of law shall be construed to limit a taxpayer from transferring the credit allowed by this section through sale and repurchase agreements.’.

(d) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply with respect to property placed in service after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 104. MODIFICATION OF CREDIT FOR PURCHASE OF VEHICLES FUELED BY NATURAL GAS OR LIQUIFIED NATURAL GAS.

(a) Increase in Credit- Paragraph (2) of section 30B(e) (relating to applicable percentage) is amended to read as follows:

‘(2) APPLICABLE PERCENTAGE- For purposes of paragraph (1), the applicable percentage with respect to any new qualified alternative fuel motor vehicle is--

‘(A) except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C)--

‘(i) 50 percent, plus

‘(ii) 30 percent, if such vehicle--

‘(I) has received a certificate of conformity under the Clean Air Act and meets or exceeds the most stringent standard available for certification under the Clean Air Act for that make and model year vehicle (other than a zero emission standard), or

‘(II) has received an order certifying the vehicle as meeting the same requirements as vehicles which may be sold or leased in California and meets or exceeds the most stringent standard available for certification under the State laws of California (enacted in accordance with a waiver granted under section 209(b) of the Clean Air Act) for that make and model year vehicle (other than a zero emission standard)

‘(B) 80 percent, in the case of vehicles that are only capable of operating on compressed natural gas or liquefied natural gas, or mix-fuel vehicles which are capable of operating on compressed or liquefied natural gas, and

‘(C) 50 percent, in the case of vehicles described subsection (e)(4)(A)(i)(II).

For purposes of the preceding sentence, in the case of any new qualified alternative fuel motor vehicle which weighs more than 14,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating, the most stringent standard available shall be such standard available for certification on the date of the enactment of the Energy Tax Incentives Act of 2005.’.

(b) Higher Incremental Cost Limits for Natural Gas Vehicles- Subsection (e) of section 30B (relating to new qualified alternative motor vehicle credit) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

‘(6) HIGHER INCREMENTAL COST LIMITS FOR NATURAL GAS VEHICLES- In the case of alternative fueled motor vehicles with respect to vehicles powered by compressed or liquefied natural gas, paragraph (3) shall be applied--

‘(A) in subparagraph (A) by substituting ‘$12,500’ for ‘$5,000’,

‘(B) in subparagraph (B) by substituting ‘$20,000’ for ‘$10,000’,

‘(C) in subparagraph (C) by substituting ‘$50,000’ for ‘$25,000’, and

‘(D) in subparagraph (D) by substituting ‘$80,000’ for ‘$40,000’.’.

(c) Effective Date- The amendment made by this section shall apply to property placed in service after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 105. MODIFICATION OF DEFINITION OF NEW QUALIFIED ALTERNATIVE FUEL MOTOR VEHICLE.

(a) In General- Clause (i) of section 30B(e)(4)(A) (relating to definition of new qualified alternative fuel motor vehicle) is amended to read as follows:

‘(i) which--

‘(I) is only capable of operating on an alternative fuel, or

‘(II) is capable of operating on compressed or liquefied natural gas and (but not in combination with) gasoline or diesel fuel, but in no case shall such vehicle have an operating range of less than 200 miles on compressed or liquefied natural gas.’.

(b) Conversions and Repowers- Paragraph (4) of section 30B(e) is amended by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

‘(C) CONVERSIONS AND REPOWERS-

‘(i) IN GENERAL- The term ‘new qualified alternative fuel vehicle’ includes the conversion or repower of a new or used vehicle so that it is capable of operating on a qualified alternative fuel as it was not previously capable of operating on an alternative fuel.

‘(ii) TREATMENT AS NEW- A vehicle which has been converted to operate on alternative fuel shall be treated as new on the date of such conversion for purposes of this section.

‘(iii) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION- In the case of a used vehicle which is converted or repowered, nothing in this section shall be construed to require that the motor vehicle be acquired in the year the credit is claimed under this section with respect to such vehicle.’.

(c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply to property placed in service after the date of the enactment of this Act.

TITLE II--PROMOTE PRODUCTION OF NGVS BY ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURERS

SEC. 201. CREDIT FOR PRODUCING VEHICLES FUELED BY NATURAL GAS OR LIQUIFIED NATURAL GAS.

(a) In General- Subpart D of part IV of subchapter A of chapter 1 (relating to business-related credits) is amended by inserting after section 45Q the following new section:

‘SEC. 45R. PRODUCTION OF VEHICLES FUELED BY NATURAL GAS OR LIQUIFIED NATURAL GAS.

‘(a) In General- For purposes of section 38, in the case of a taxpayer who is a manufacturer of natural gas vehicles, the natural gas vehicle credit determined under this section for any taxable year with respect to each eligible natural gas vehicle produced by the taxpayer during such year is an amount equal to the lesser of--

‘(1) 10 percent of the manufacturer’s basis in such vehicle, or

‘(2) $4,000.

‘(b) Aggregate Credit Allowed- The aggregate amount of credit allowed under subsection (a) with respect to a taxpayer for any taxable year shall not exceed $200,000,000 reduced by the amount of the credit allowed under subsection (a) to the taxpayer (or any predecessor) for all prior taxable years.

‘(c) Definitions- For purposes of this section--

‘(1) ELIGIBLE NATURAL GAS VEHICLE- The term ‘eligible natural gas vehicle’ means any motor vehicle (as defined in section 30(c)(2))--

‘(A) which--

‘(i) is only capable of operating on natural gas or liquefied natural gas, or

‘(ii) is capable of operating on compressed or liquefied natural gas and (but not in combination with) gasoline or diesel fuel, but in no case shall such vehicle have an operating range of less than 200 miles on compressed or liquefied natural gas, and

‘(B) the final assembly of which is in the United States.

‘(2) MANUFACTURER- The term ‘manufacturer’ has the meaning given such term in regulations prescribed by the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency for purposes of the administration of title II of the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7521 et seq.).

‘(d) Special Rules- For purposes of this section--

‘(1) IN GENERAL- Rules similar to the rules of subsections (c), (d), and (e) of section 52 shall apply.

‘(2) CONTROLLED GROUPS-

‘(A) IN GENERAL- All persons treated as a single employer under subsection (a) or (b) of section 52 or subsection (m) or (o) of section 414 shall be treated as a single producer.

‘(B) INCLUSION OF FOREIGN CORPORATIONS- For purposes of subparagraph (A), in applying subsections (a) and (b) of section 52 to this section, section 1563 shall be applied without regard to subsection (b)(2)(C) thereof.

‘(3) VERIFICATION- No amount shall be allowed as a credit under subsection (a) with respect to which the taxpayer has not submitted such information or certification as the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, determines necessary.

‘(e) Termination- This section shall not apply to any vehicle produced after December 31, 2017.’.

(b) Credit To Be Part of Business Credit- Section 38(b) is amended by striking ‘plus’ at the end of paragraph (34), by striking the period at the end of paragraph (35) and inserting ‘, plus’, and by adding at the end the following:

‘(36) the natural gas vehicle credit determined under section 45R(a).’.

(c) Conforming Amendment- The table of sections for subpart D of part IV of subchapter A of chapter 1 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 45Q the following new item:

‘Sec. 45R. Production of vehicles fueled by natural gas or liquified natural gas.’.

(d) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply to vehicles produced after December 31, 2008.

TITLE III--TO INCENTIVIZE THE INSTALLATION OF NATURAL GAS FUEL PUMPS AT SERVICE STATIONS AND DEPOTS AND DOMESTIC LNG PRODUCTION FACILITIES FOR SMALL ENERGY PRODUCERS

SEC. 301. EXTENSION AND MODIFICATION OF ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTY CREDIT.

(a) In General- Subsection (g) of section 30C is amended by striking ‘and’ at the end of paragraph (1), by redesignating paragraph (2) as paragraph (3), and by inserting after paragraph (1) the following new paragraph:

‘(2) in the case of property relating to compressed or liquefied natural gas, after December 31, 2027.’.

(b) Effective Date- The amendments made by subsection (a) shall apply to property placed in service after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 302. INCREASE IN CREDIT FOR CERTAIN ALTERNATIVE FUEL VEHICLE REFUELING PROPERTIES.

(a) In General- Subsection (b) of section 30C is amended to read as follows:

‘(b) Limitation- The credit allowed under subsection (a) with respect to all qualified alternative fuel vehicle refueling property placed in service by the taxpayer during the taxable year at a location shall not exceed--

‘(1) except as provided in paragraph (2), $30,000 in the case of a property of a character subject to an allowance for depreciation,

‘(2) in the case of a compressed natural gas, or liquefied natural gas, the lesser of--

‘(A) 50 percent of such cost, or

‘(B) $100,000, and

‘(3) $2,000 in any other case.’.

(b) Effective Date- The amendments made by subsection (a) shall apply to property placed in service after the date of the enactment of this Act.

TITLE IV--NATURAL GAS VEHICLES

SEC. 401. NATURAL GAS VEHICLES IN FEDERAL FLEET.

Not later than December 31, 2014, and thereafter, at least 50 percent of all new vehicles purchased or placed into service by the United States Government shall be vehicles that are capable of operating on compressed or liquefied natural gas.

SEC. 402. GRANTS FOR NATURAL GAS VEHICLES RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

(a) In General- The Secretary of Energy may make grants to original equipment manufacturers of light duty and heavy duty natural gas vehicles for the development of engines that reduce emissions, improve performance and efficiency, and lower cost.

(b) Limitation- The aggregate amount of grants under subsection (a) for any fiscal year shall not exceed $30,000,000.

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Comment by Chandrashekar Tamirisa on December 20, 2009 at 12:41am

1000 days from tomorrow is 10/18/2012.

Comment by Chandrashekar Tamirisa on December 20, 2009 at 12:24am

I am not talking about the world ending on the day of the winter solstice per the Gregorian calendar as predicted by the Mayan calendar. I am talking about consuming 21 million bbl/day against U.S proven reserves of about 21 billion bbl, which makes it a 1000 day reserve beginning tomorrow or approximately 3 years if foreigners cut us off.

It is not clear if the government is behaving keeping that very real possibility in mind, because it is indeed feasible geopoliticallly to shut out the U.S and EU and divert all global production to the rest of the world with little consequence to the global economy, more so now than in 1973.

So, the 3 year mark for the United States in the Black Swan tail event of such a shock should be sufficient to start a Manhattan project for alternative energy
and efforts to organize the economy to consume energy far more efficiently than today.

Comment by John Wesley Nobles on December 19, 2009 at 9:19pm

Chandra,
We need to talk about that in detail next time you are on The Green Revolution Show. Please don't tell me December 21, 2012!

Comment by Chandrashekar Tamirisa on December 19, 2009 at 8:21pm

2012: Is the mother of all oil shocks to the United States just around the corner?

Fact: Should the rest of the world decide not to supply oil to us tomorrow, we will be run dry by 2012 at our current consumption rates.

Comment by John Wesley Nobles on December 19, 2009 at 7:20pm

Thank you Darren, it is a pleasure to make an understatement for a change. We should continue the discussion after the first of the year on The Green Revolution Show. Give me a call; 760-961-1312; jwnobles1@verizon.net.

Comment by Darren Meade on December 17, 2009 at 1:44pm

@ John Wesley Nobles

Sir, I agree on your comment about taxes, I just believe the usage of the word 'strangling' to be an understatement.
This is an article I wrote last year which details all the new taxes over the last 100 years :
I represent a think-tank in San Diego and the scientist have developed a new methodology for the production of room temperature stable methane clathrates from natural gas in a solid form.
NOT to be confused with Oceanic methane clathrates which are only stable at a temperature of around 0 degrees centrigrade.
I believe this methodology takes away the barrier of entry into other market for Natural Gas in the airline industry and others usages based on the negative effects of handling natural gas, such as ut's explosive properties, the fact that it is odorless; colorless with the need for the proper control of the gas through the use of pressurized containers which has limited it's currently.

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